Showing posts with label Idaho murders. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Idaho murders. Show all posts

12/14/22

JOINING GREEK LIFE? YOU MAY NEED A TRUST FUND FOR REHAB and UNDER-REPORTED ON THE IDAHO FOUR MURDERS

GREEK LIFE and "ALCOHOL ADDICTION" by Recovery Village   Interesting stats.

Statistics from other surveys show the direct effects of substance use in Greek organizations. Each year:

  • Around 500,000 members suffer unintentional injuries related to substance use 
  • 70,000 cases of sexual assault and acquaintance rape
  • 1,400 members die from alcohol-related causes
  • 600,000 assaults occur
  • 50% of members perform poorly on important school assignments *************************************
GREEK LIFE is your straight ticket to being a boozer and druggie.

Let's say you yourself are not an "alcohol addict." But somehow you get into one of the frats or sororities where you are surrounded by people who are....

I chose to link to this site because it seems comprehensive.


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Though I don't usually follow true crime podcasts, I've been following the many articles and videos regarding the "Idaho Four."  By doing so I've been able to eliminate a great number of content creators who are piggy backing on more journalistic offerings.  I'm also avoiding any headline that might suggest the police and many other investigators aren't qualified.

I have yet to find ANY media that would suggest that any of the four murdered college students were alcoholic.  Never the less, while again I don't think anyone deserves to be murdered (or the victim of any crime) I think the investigation WILL have to ask some tough questions about the victim's life styles. 

For instance a person who drinks to the point of stumbling around drunk IS NOT BEING VIGILANT.  

From reviewing hundreds of articles and broadcasts repeated on YouTube,  it does SEEM that Kaylee, was supposed to be part of the winter graduation, but had already moved out of sorority house in the past, had already moved or was moving out of the house in which she was murdered. She had broken up with her long term (five year) boyfriend, you could say her high school or college boyfriend, and was moving to Texas to begin a career. She was back in town to visit and tie up loose ends.  She was doing what many do once graduated, starting a new life in another part of the country, but was there someone who could not bear that thought that he or she would never see her again? 

She might have been sleeping in the same bed as her best friend/sister since the 6th grade Maddy because?  Perhaps her own bed had been moved out.  Perhaps they drunkly fell into bed together.  Perhaps they were both bisexual. 

Her dad is the most openly vocal and angry of the parents.  We do understand the shock that the parents and family members, close friends, and living housemates, must have experienced, and the grief they are experiencing.  Never the less, Kaylee's parents hiring a lawyer to go against the police give me the impression they will sue someone - the police, the landlord, the school.... Someone!  It will not be enough for them that hundreds of professionals and millions of dollars are spent on finding the murderer.  They are acting as if they are special.

THIS IS NOT CSI the television crime solving series. Even CSI  - admits that technologies that do not yet exist are used on the show.  It takes much more than an hour to solve a crime.  DNA evidence is fairly new.

I await the reveal of the autopsy information including the booze in Kaylee's blood...  If she were not drinking for some time at the bar before going to the food truck, I would be less apt to think of this as a "crime of opportunity."  That phrase is used to describe a criminal who preys upon someone because they are a good target, and in that sense there is nothing personal.  I.e. the rapist who follows a drunk woman home.

I also feel speculative about the identity of the killer or killers and their motivation.  The idea that there might have been a get away car. Or that there was more than one murderer. 

I think it's possible that other people did show up at the house and see the crime scene and fled, perhaps out of shock and fear.

As for individual locks on the doors, it's clear to me that the owner of the house clearly intended to rent to students, one after another.  Someone still on the lease and paying rent for months though moved out?  An empty room for the dog to be put into to the killer to hide in?  I'm curious about the rent, and if the rent was only affordable to students with rich parents.  I can imagine the individuals in the house locking their personal doors when out for the day, but not locking them while at home.

Maybe a frat boy went on a rampage.  

It could be that someone heard she would be back in town.  One last chance.

So, was Kaylee nice to everyone?  Too nice?  Or was she a Greek Life snob?  There has been no discussion in the media about that possibility. Her grades were excellent AND she had time to party? She also worked part time at the restaurant.  She does sound like a dynamo. WHY do people join Greek Life?  I think, from reading around this subject, that they intend to have networks for career in place, that they want out of the dorms, and that it's also about being elite or rich enough to afford all that comes with it. But if your purpose in attending college is a career, perhaps the social and career network is the purpose of Greek Life. Oh, and to find a marriage partner who also has potential, comes from money, etc.  As campus get to the point of having thousands of students, the frat or sorority becomes a smaller pool of associates.

But all the reportage that drinking is "just letting off steam" and something that all college students do - they are adults but called "KIDS" shows me just how ignorant the media is about alcohol.

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Addition to original post on 12/23/2022

As I search for new information on this case, "the Idaho Four" I see that the case may not be cold, but after about six weeks of very frequent reportage, including by independent content creators who post on YouTube, reportage with NEWS (ie what's NEW)  is subsiding. It may be that there is a lull, that the speculation has not been fed with anything much since the spectacle of the white car search, which seemed to end when a crashed car fitting the description was discovered in Oregon. The video of a police call to the house when a party was going on but none of the room mates was actually home was revealed.

More proof of behavior that's NOT SAFER BEHAVIOR.  And proof that there wasn't just a hell of a lot of DNA in that house, but also that at least one, if not all housemates, were terribly irresponsible about allowing access to the house.  I'm really sick of the reportage being that they were KIDS, and also that they were TYPICAL COLLEGE STUDENTS.  No they were not.

I'm using the term Safer here akin to when we use the term Safer re Safer sex rather than Safe Sex. Safer behavior may not entirely eliminate danger but will greatly improve your chances of not being exploited or infected so...   

If you're reading this and wonder...

Drinking to the point of being drunk, especially stumbling around drunk, greatly increases your chances of being exploited and targeted.  Usually for sex, but could be for murder.

Giving out the codes to bypass the security of your house or room is dangerous behavior.  You really want people to know what all you have?  To go into your personal areas?

Allowing people to use your house to party when you are not home is ridiculous.  They bring other people in who you may never have met.  This level of "trust" is foolish. Not to be confused with being "social." 

You cannot trust the vetting process of a sorority or fraternity to ensure that the people you surround yourself with are all OK. While you can have by choice a "family of friends" in addition to or as a substitute for the family of birth or adoption, the entire sorority or fraternity is NOT YOUR FAMILY. Further HAZING and other stupid rituals of acceptance that are about power and degrading or humiliating others to prove how much they want to be one of your brothers or sisters is fundamentally beyond immature, it is sick. Do you intend to keep up that attitude and behavior when you graduate and are employed or working your own business?  (In my opinion, colleges should no longer allow these organizations on campus' because colleges supposedly stand for inclusion.)

So let me tell you what those I've met in life who became members of AA and other 12 step type clubs told me years ago, when I asked them to explain. THE TIME YOU SPEND DRUNK OR HIGH is not time in which you experience life, but time you are escaping it.  A person who starts drinking as a lifestyle at 18 who quits at 38 is often a 38 year old who is still thinking and acting like an 18 year old. I do realize there is controversy and confusion about at what point a person is actually alcoholic. For instance, drinking and driving  - when you are impaired - could be defined as one beer. Also, some people are allergic to alcohol or do not physically process it through their system the same.  If you rarely drink it may effect you more profoundly.  Some people define it as, even if it is only one glass of wine, if it is being drunk for an alteration of mood or to escape, then it is your purpose in drinking that defines you.

A while back some friends took me out to lunch and we ate a lot of food and I had one glass of wine.  That wine hit me quickly and did not seem to effect them at all.

Your friends who drink more than you may be your examples or define for you that since you're not keeping up with them, they have the problem, and you don't.

I simply ask you to be self aware and ask yourself honestly how much you are drinking and how often and why. 

If you graduate or leave college after the Greek Life, you may network with others in that life for years, however, if you have been alcoholic as a way of coping with the "stress" of academic stress, before you move to another state to begin your career, or attempt to have an adult, independent life, with a good career too, you very likely want to quit the booze. (Or drugs.) The stress and responsibility of adult life is usually beyond what you experience in college. You won't just have to show up for classes but be on time for work and work for many hours a week.  You may partner, have children to raise right, have family responsibilities that include caring for parents.

Going out to celebrate after completing a semester or quarter or on break is different than parties every day or every weekend. A drink with dinner is different than a case of beer. However, some people can still have that one beer, be drunk, and drive irresponsibly. Some people can drink to the point of throwing up, then ace a test the next day. But, it's more likely that you wont study well with a hang-over. 

Some people point to the Greek Life brother or sister as an example.  Academic excellence as proof that the person does not have a problem with substances.  However, that person may also be blessed with a high-IQ, may have had a pre-college education that put them ahead of their peers, may cheat, or in some way be exceptional.

Take it from someone who has had the alcoholic boss, who, along with others at work, lived around what mood or condition he would come into work with. His lateness and his excuses for being out and gone most afternoons, while his secretary help-mate did massive amounts of trouble-shooting.  

At another job, an alcoholic co-worker of sorts who came in most mornings in a rotten mood, even abusive. One wondered why this person had not been fired for all the misery, but like a college student who still got good grades, he managed to make his quotas.  There were (and still are) lots of people who accommodate.

There is also this aspect of alcoholism, and that is that is one way or another, in adult life it throws responsibility that is yours onto other people who are often unable to say no to taking on more. 

C 2022  Wishing all of you a better tomorrow.  Christine Trzyna

11/26/22

DALE CARSON LAW ON IDAHO STUDENT MURDERS : PROFILING A CRIMINAL


Listen well to this because he's telling the truth.  Criminals are LOOKING FOR YOUR VULNERABILITY... so they can victimize you. Violent offenders... White Collar Criminals... strangers... your own relatives.

Women are harassed and threatened so very much.  The police sometimes will not take the reports...

Just the other day a woman I know who waitresses for a restaurant that is known for it's sexy waitresses and encourages them towards showing their bodies as their skimpy uniform includes t-shirts that emphasize breasts and has a yearly calendar of their waitresses, was harassed by three men who intimidated her on the street on their way home.  They tried to evaluate her beauty there in the street which was horrible behavior in the first place.  They knew where she worked. One of them showed up there to ask her how it had felt to be intimidated that way.

She said she had pepper spray but that is not good enough.

I very much wish she would take her excellent waitressing skills to another restaurant where she doesn't have to show her body like that...


11/25/22

BLACK FRIDAY CLUES TO THE IDAHO STUDENT MURDERS CASE - WHAT'S OF VALUE?

Having now read articles or watched videos - at least a hundred - searching for new information on this case, I can tell you that there are many news media that have not and are not up on the latest and reporting erroneously. Mish-mashing like that is not responsible journalism. Piggy backing on main stream news by citizens is not the same as news media and responsible journalists not even knowing what has already been broadcast. Speculations and amateur sleuths can sometimes be valuable to an investigation as well but that's not the same as news media and responsible journalists being so out of it when it comes to the competitor's reportage, the scoops. I watched one news outlet that had a group of people discussing the case and it was clear they were about three days behind. 

WHAT'S OF VALUE?

The first thing to do as you search for information on this horrible murder scene is to forget any psychic medium predictions or tarot card readings. Sorry... Don't waste your time.

Second... Forget any criticisms that the police are inept or bumbling. The local force called in experts right away and the FBI is on it, a million more dollars towards the investigation is incoming... A great number of hours have been spent and will be spent. Be it that the killer has killed before or not, be it that this is the work of a serial killer and can be tied into one or two other, somewhat similar murders, they are not just looking BACK, they want to find the killer or killers SO THEY DON'T GET TO KILL AGAIN. They are doing everything they can and far more than they could have ever done in the days before DNA.  This is not a television show or film where crimes are solved as you watch. This real time crime research has already been aided by technology when it comes to the timeline especially which it would not have had as an advantage before video cameras on food trucks and before cell phone calls. So, if these murders happened even 20 years ago, they would have to proceed with none of that information.

Third ... Dr. Todd Grande...  making an issue of the phone call someone made reporting an unconscious person rather than a blood bath...  I'm NOT in the psychology profession but I can tell you this... This man does not know his stuff.

WHAT LIKELY HAPPENED IS THAT THE PERSON SAW ONE BODY, maybe by opening a bedroom door that was unlocked slightly, to peer in because they wanted to respect the right and need of privacy, and did not see the bloodbath.

If you are living with someone and had a late night yourself or know they are usually up by a certain time and you're sure they're home but hours have passed and you start to wonder, well, how do you know why they're in their room?  Maybe they have someone in there with them or are ill.  I can imagine a person going to the door, calling a name, knocking gently... taking a while to open the door. Who would think that they were going to come upon a crime scene?

Or if they did, they may have gone into shock and not been able to process it mentally.  I don't know the name for that condition but I know that people who are terribly frightened cannot always process and there is also something called a cover memory. That person may have called friends over for comfort or advice and unable to say or do more. A group of friends may have assembled to talk about what to do. In youth some of that discussion might be about who to tell because your friends are trusted more than your parents or authority figures.  So they bonded, trying to figure out what to say or do.  

THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO UP ON WHY the two women whose bedrooms were on the first floor, the original part of the house, might not have been awakened by the murders taking place upstairs. Floor plans and explanation by Johnny Law.


Daily Mail (UK - ONLINE) broke the news that a witness had told the police that the girls had drunk a lot at the bar and that one of them was stumbling tipsy. They had not nursed a beer for the night. The food truck video also reveals this - a swaying and stumble. Also news is that the person who was giving them a ride home (about a five minute ride if that) called to them to hurry up and they left the food truck without paying. The food truck employee says he gave them the food anyway so it's more that they were not paying attention and ran to get the ride. They had to get home and eat that food there. Likely they are regulars who always pay so no fuss was made.  THE FACT THAT TWO OF THE GIRLS WERE DRUNK after up to about three hours at the bar, means to me that they got right home, could have been sloppy about the door lock, but likely just fell into bed, half passed out, and would have been INATTENTIVE. So much for the sister of one of them going on about how aware and safety aware her sister was.  When a person is drunk, especially very drunk, they are unable to be as aware as a person who is sober and well rested.  Sorry!  This falls right in line with my idea that frats and sororities and party houses are a lot about alcohol and alcoholism and that party anywhere is assumed to include alcohol.

All these people on media and in videos saying "So what, all college students drink, get drunk, party..." THEY ARE SO WRONG.  I didn't and I don't think most students who care about their grades or who work and go to school have the party and booze  or/and drugs lifestyle.

Further, the same sister says that it was normal for her sister to call people late and in the middle of the night, even to ask someone what she should make for a meal.  This is not normal or acceptable behavior. It's not even easy for me to understand why someone who was excelling in college, going to graduate, and start a good job, all that, would not know better. No concern for other people's sleep? That needy? Why would anyone have their phone on to take calls after their bed time? If someone tried to rouse me with repetitive phone calls after I went to bed and it was not an emergency, especially if this was ongoing, I would not be able to stay friends with them. I recall I once had an associate who said taking such calls was the 'price of friendship' but I thought that she and I were not friends and that it was a very high price. Yes, if someone is a close friend and going through a bad time, you want to be there for them, and you might tell them to call you any time. I've done some time talking to a depressed person to get them to the dawn, but this as a habit and for trivial things...? The woman was not normal and seems desperate for attention. So one can imagine being woken or home and not taking the calls just to try and discourage them from that behavior.

The reportage says that the time stamp on those calls means that they were calls made before the murder...  could be... COULD also be that with the last bit of breath or energy that one or two of them had, they called Jack because Jack was the person they felt closest to - for help - or to say I'm dying I love you...  I know you might think that such a call would be to 911 or the police but maybe as you're bleeding out you don't think of that, or the 911 number was not right there in the phone. It's also possible the calls were made while a murder was happening in another room.  Someone woke up and again thought of Jack...

As I was telling a friend I met up with Thanksgiving, after a major earthquake, after checking in on an elderly neighbor who did need help, the first thing I did was try to connect with the person who was my best friend at the time, wanting to be sure they were OK.  And another time when I experienced a crisis, I found myself calling an old best friend. I just recalled an old phone number and had dialed it before I realized what I was doing.

So, basically, the many calls to Jack, a long time boyfriend, friend of the family, and good guy, should not be condemning to Jack.

Bleeding out.  An early report said they had been stabbed in the upper body.  Mention of where they were stabbed seems to have fallen out of reportage. Would a person awaken from a drunken pass out or deep sleep at the first pain? Well, not if the first stab was in the heart or another vulnerable place... I tried to find out how long a person takes to bleed out and die and it depends on where they were stabbed but THREE MINUTES was the given on the Internet. 

MARK FUHRMAN - Believe him, he's good, and he knew what happened when Nicole Brown Simpson was murdered too.  We do need to be patient and let the analysis come when ready. The term sloppy has been thrown around.  Sloppy Killer. Sloppy investigation.  I think what was meant by sloppy killer is that he or she or they left evidence, and if they had a plan once they got into the house and into action were finding out their fantasies were not how it goes in reality. That's generally good for the detectives.

The knife. Sadly, I get advertisements for the latest military grade knives and other survival equipment including a "flashlight" that has a focused flame that cuts through metal, on YouTube videos.  A person does not have to go to a store to buy anything these days.  Autopsy : They know the length of knife from the depth of the stabs.

KEEP IT IN THE NEWS ; Unsold murder mysteries, called Cold Cases, once they go away on media tend to go into a file and are forgotten.  Do you know something or think you could help with speculations? Having a child murdered hurts the parents forever...and so I wonder if there is any chance that one or all of them were killed to hurt someone else, threaten someone else, you know like in organized crime.